16:01:17	 From Jason Caslor : What a great group of people!
16:01:37	 From Gerard Morris : Agreed, Jason!
16:01:53	 From Charles Throckmorton : I’m from Texas….
16:02:14	 From Daniel Cook : Hi from Texas (and hey, Chuck!) Thanks for making this open to all.
16:02:15	 From John Ross : Hello Everyone!
16:02:30	 From John Ross : It took a few minutes to get in.
16:02:34	 From Carter Biggers : Yes, thanks for opening this up to everyone. Glad to be here!
16:02:39	 From rinehart@southalabama.edu : Howdy from Alabama!
16:02:51	 From Jessica Kun : Hello from Toronto, Canada!
16:02:56	 From Joe Conti : Greetings from New Hampshire! Glad to be here, thanks for the invitation
16:03:21	 From Onsby Rose : Hello to everyone from NW Iowa!
16:04:34	 From James Smart : Reed is playing Whack-a-mole with the hand raising.
16:04:42	 From R Chamberlin : This will be interesting!
16:04:58	 From R Chamberlin : This will be interesting to manage…
16:05:24	 From Travis Cross : No more interesting than an honor band…
16:10:54	 From Andy Collinsworth : Thanks for your leadership, Mark, during these troubling times.
16:11:20	 From R Chamberlin : Feel free to share comments about these ideas throughout in the Chat window. We will of course monitor this input too.
16:11:26	 From Jeffrey Boeckman : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IqX8l7SJXDHy5rzYlUFnOkDnWzEpjr070JxI1_CG4B8/edit?usp=sharing
16:11:33	 From Travis Cross : Jeff, the audience here is your dean? Provost?
16:11:50	 From John Ross : Thank you so much, Mark!
16:14:25	 From Travis Cross : Dionysiaques?
16:14:35	 From John Ross : :-)
16:14:58	 From Doug Presley : The octet arrangement
16:14:59	 From Jeffrey Boeckman : My audience is manifold - chair, dean, vice chancellor, admissions, etc.
16:15:29	 From Jason Gardner : Perhaps square-footage of the rehearsal space would play a part in how many people are considered safe in a room at the same time?  Larger room allows an ensemble to be spread out more.
16:16:25	 From Travis Cross : The other issue is “playing defense” for your “own room.” I fully expect other classes will want to use “our” spaces for more traditional classes, so we may have to give up some of our rehearsal time.
16:16:29	 From David Vickerman : ^ SJSU is going to be getting room size info for this exact purpose
16:16:29	 From Robert Joseph Ambrose : Using the 6-foot guideline that would mean everyone would need 36 square feet of space
16:16:32	 From Doug Presley : Wouldn’t the stage space be the limitation?
16:16:54	 From Jeff Malecki : A science colleague recommended we consider an “honor band” model, with a condensed rigorous weekend rehearsal
16:17:09	 From Bryant Smith : There could also be chances to find other locations on campus to practice/perform that allow us both rehearse and be seen by admin
16:17:23	 From Richard Strauch : Possibly you will get to this, but there is also an implication for audience - we may be able to rehearse with 50, but there may remain a question of how many people we can perform for…
16:18:09	 From Barry Houser : I think an answer to the square footage question will be determined by science AND the study CBDNA is looking at. As we know, this virus stays in our breathing environment for quite some time…if we space ourselves out 6 feet apart, will that truly mean we have created a safe environment? Hopefully the science will help OUR cause.
16:18:43	 From Pierre Long-Tao Tang : I am also a choir conductor.  My vocal colleagues already argued that 6-feet wouldn’t be enough for singers.  (Especially if they sing harsher languages like German or Russian… lots of fluids going on)
16:18:49	 From R Chamberlin : I hope for this too. I was thrilled to hear about CBDNA’s initiative here—I had been looking at trying something like this internal at my institution.
16:19:23	 From Robert Joseph Ambrose : Strings are not really in the same situation that we are since they don’t require breath to play. But choir certainly is.
16:19:32	 From Danh Pham : With a commitment to on-campus/in-person teaching for the Fall (from our University President), we are already looking at gyms, and outdoor facilities that can house us, for whatever times that could work.
16:21:11	 From Pierre Long-Tao Tang : But in orchestral string playing, proximity is part of the training.  To be able to play in the right part of bow or contact point etc.  At least that’s what I worrie about for my orchestra.
16:23:13	 From David Vickerman : I love “Percussion?”
16:23:13	 From Onsby Rose : I teach in a small private school where most of my students (80-85%) are not music majors. They are all on scholarship, BUT our grading set up is Pass/No Record. So, the issue we are up against is if we push the envelope too much, students will just “opt out” of the program, thus essentially making it non-existent. There is no grading scheme that will prevent them from it. Although they would lose their scholarship, that may not be enough to deter them from leaving the program if there are no ensembles that they deem they want to play in, OR they are asked to drastically alter what they expected to be doing when they started in the program. At least in the short term. Does anyone else have this set up, and if so, what are you doing? Thoughts?
16:23:14	 From Mark Spede : This video from Japan may put some perspective on aerosols in the air.   https://vimeo.com/402577241?ref=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR0KlUc6x8Lt6Z1YvzNhYfa147izk_i9FVSg1EURoFFG-ZjtDGsgwTTLX2A
16:24:31	 From Joel Pagan : I have one “confirmed” report of an institution that has tentatively already decided not to meet as an ensemble if the Fall is all online.
16:24:42	 From Doug Harris : At Clark College in Vancouver, WA we are not even being allowed to offer ensemble classes.
16:25:15	 From Bryant Smith : Jackpilot and qjackctl allow for small numbers of people to perform in real time over internet.  Not a great thing for large ensembles, but a resource for certain performance options.
16:25:49	 From Robert Joseph Ambrose : At Georgia State we have said this semester the projects must meet one of three criteria (1) be part of our learning goals for the course, (2) teach musicianship or (3) teach entrepreneurship.
16:26:09	 From David Vickerman : ^ THIS.
16:26:16	 From Angela Schroeder : Robert Ambrose - that is terrific!!!
16:26:19	 From Daniel Cook : At UNT, we are considering editing the ensemble to become something like an Intro to Wind Lit, or repertoire study, or other closely related ensemble skill/activity that’s relevant. Granted, this is not an accurate substitute for ensembles, but it’s just what we’re trying to scrap together to give music majors something valuable.
16:26:29	 From Travis Cross : Since this is not on the Google Doc right now, *if* we are in an all-online modality and will be doing recorded projects, perhaps we should at least consider facilitating inter-school collaborations between our students.
16:27:36	 From R Chamberlin : Bob Ambrose: the projects you mention, is this for ensembles or across the entire school?
16:28:46	 From Andy Collinsworth : That’s a really great idea, Travis.
16:28:58	 From David Vickerman : Important to note the “humanity” issue: if indeed it is ALL online still, there will be a serious concern about mental health of our students, etc.  Something that needs to be kept in mind for all.  If it is MONTH 5-7 of shelter in place, we need to be patient and understanding of our individual student needs.
16:29:01	 From John Ross : I love that idea, Travis!
16:29:12	 From Robert Joseph Ambrose : Reed - This was what the three band directors came up with for our area.  It seemed to make sense for us.  We had 4 weeks left in the semester when we went online
16:29:28	 From Nicholas Bratcher : David - agreed!
16:29:29	 From R Chamberlin : Thank you, that’s a great idea.
16:29:30	 From Travis Cross : Much like Robert and Daniel, we have added a second set of objectives to our syllabus for this spring quarter. I’ll try to find them and paste them in here. I’ve tried to design activities that always point back to the learning objectives for the ensemble—but I had to add a few new ones.
16:30:13	 From Travis Cross : Sorry. Here comes a huge text dump:
16:30:22	 From Travis Cross : TRADITIONAL OBJECTIVES
1.	Establish the highest consistent performance standard.
2.	Perform a balanced repertoire of new and established works of high quality for band, wind ensemble, and chamber winds.
3.	Complement and enhance study and practices encouraged in private studios.
4.	Apply historical and theoretical knowledge to expression and interpretation in performance.
5.	Encourage the artistic, technical, and personal growth of each individual while working towards common ensemble goals.

ADDITIONAL OBJECTIVES
1.	Broaden and deepen understanding of wind ensemble repertoire and history.
2.	Engage with diverse audiences and constituencies, including public school band programs, teachers, and students, and enhance outreach skills.
3.	Develop and refine oral and written communication skills.
4.	Foster community within the department, school, and university and support the growth, learning, and health of other students in the ensemble.
16:31:10	 From Sarah Labovitz : For those of us that teach mostly music education majors AND we can meet in person, just with reduced forces, perhaps we could do a unit or semester on looking for quality in young band music. We could play young band music that has reduced parts in chamber groups.  Although the music will be easy technically, we could talk about what makes quality young band music and how to wring the music out of it.
16:31:17	 From John Ross : This is very helpful, Travis
16:33:19	 From Pierre Long-Tao Tang : Critique of traditional band excerpts.
16:34:27	 From Joel Pagan : CMS hinted at the idea of software that addresses the latency issues. Has anyone heard of this?
16:34:31	 From Jeffrey Boeckman : Composition projects - pieces composed for our specific ensembles and technological possibilities / limitations; pieces workshopped/written/performed by the ensemble members
16:34:58	 From Travis Cross : LoLa
16:35:36	 From Mark Spede : Allan McMurray approached Frank Ticheli about having him arrange 5 of his popular works in 4 parts. Brian Balmages and others have jumped in. Ultimate flexible instrumentation.
16:35:39	 From Robert S. Belser : Students need to participate and are missing that right now.  The virtual situation does not satisfy the ensemble experience, but to create some kind of performance together is a possibility we are looking into.  That might include works that are perhaps not to the same level we would do face-to-face, ones that do not change tempos so kids can can use mets to be able be in time with to others virtually regardless of how they are connecting with the rest of the band, prepped by zoom rehearsals with individual kids, then layer by layer building a "wind" performance that is then shared.  It is a last resort but we also keep our audiences connected in some way (and their need to hear us) and satisfy the kids need for (at least some level) of participation.
16:37:10	 From Robert Joseph Ambrose : These are the Georgia State University Symphonic Wind Ensemble projects that were completed from the time of online teaching until the end of the semester
16:37:11	 From Justin Hubbard : Was that just one on one though?
16:37:46	 From Patricia Cornett : We all know that the virtual ensemble is more of a ‘recording’ skill than it is a ‘performance’ skill. However, the argument has been made by my department chair (here at Temple) that students are watching professionals in the field have to do this very thing, so perhaps it may be a valuable skill for them to learn…knowing, of course, that this won’t be forever, and we will eventually get back to actual performance.
16:37:58	 From David Vickerman : SJSU Percussion will be signing up for times to rehearse at school
16:38:10	 From Jeff Held : I sent instruments home with percussionists, too.
16:38:26	 From Doug Presley : Thank you Robert.
16:39:12	 From Justin Hubbard : Speaking to the entrepreneurship, similar as Patricia’s comment: we could use this as a chance to teach some of the basic audio editing skills necessary to build and edit recordings. It’s still a virtual recording project, but engages the students by having them add and edit their own part.
16:39:47	 From Jeffrey Boeckman : I have two percussion students who will be very uncomfortable using shared instruments if we’re back in the fall.
16:40:13	 From Robert S. Belser : We might be able to have percussionists (at distance) use our large rehearsal space (and the playing does not involve the same respiratory activity as winds) to do chamber works / portions of larger works recorded and layered upon.  We should know in 6-8 weeks of that possiibilty.
16:40:54	 From Angela Schroeder : What about our grad conducting students? How do we create the optimum experiences without large ensembles for them to conduct and learn from?
16:41:21	 From Angela Schroeder : I’m curious how others imagine this
16:41:36	 From Bryant Smith : Some of the best grad conducting experiences I had were with chamber music.
16:42:24	 From Russell McCutcheon : JamKazam is another web-based app designed for simultaneous rehearsal and performance.  Some of our faculty at Gettysburg College have used it effectively this semester, although I was not able to get it to work for me/our ensembles.  The app has gone somewhat fallow, however I did get the following message from JamKazam recently: 
16:42:30	 From Russell McCutcheon : "A number of new users have asked if we are still here, and if the company and the service are still operational. The answer to all of these questions is yes.
To be clear, we are necessarily working on JamKazam part-time at this point. We are short on capital/cash. And we are very overwhelmed by the surge in the use of JamKazam, so we cannot provide 1:1 tech support. Please refer to this forum article for a help index of tutorial videos: https://forum.jamkazam.com/showthread.php?tid=69&pid=171#pid171. Sadly, we lost our more detailed help documentation when Desk.com went away, so please try to help each other as much as you can as a community in the forum."
16:43:05	 From Daniel Cook : I can speak to UNT's
16:43:05	 From Travis Cross : We’re still working on what we’re doing, but we’ll be online this summer.
16:43:14	 From Jessica Kun : The MoCap Conducting is my thing. Interactive Responsive System that I did not continue. I wish I would have finished it. We would all be in a much better place.
16:43:29	 From Jessica Kun : No
16:43:40	 From Jessica Kun : It Jessica here.
16:43:55	 From Jessica Kun : I made all of those costumes!!!!
16:44:11	 From Jessica Kun : Everyone looked amazing in spandex
16:44:39	 From Travis Cross : Jessica, only child, Illinois, Chicago?
16:44:44	 From Paul Cummings : Anyone planning to try staggered attendance in large ensembles? For ex, brass and percussion attend on Tues, WW attend on Thurs. This assumes we can meet F2F with social distancing of course, rather than online.
16:45:04	 From Jessica Kun : Jessica Kun in Canada
16:46:11	 From Jason Caslor : https://ccrma.stanford.edu/groups/soundwire/software/jacktrip/
16:48:00	 From Travis Cross : I was literally in a meeting two hours before this at our university, and I requested PPE for music faculty.
16:48:01	 From David Vickerman : It’s one of the options we are looking at
16:48:58	 From Angela Schroeder : Conducting with masks…yikes
16:49:05	 From Travis Cross : Does that mean faculty will not be paid?

16:50:15	 From Travis Cross : Angela, I think the masks for us are a fait accompli. I’m talking about plastic face shields…
16:51:18	 From Joan Paddock : Can you share your conducting hybrid syllabus please?
16:51:20	 From Michael Butler : Can you post the conducting class in the chat?
16:52:31	 From Jeff Malecki : To answer Reed’s question and others, we are looking at one possibility of a Friday-Saturday rehearsal performance, maybe twice during the semester
16:53:06	 From Emily Moss : I can definitely share my materials and resources!
16:53:21	 From Pierre Long-Tao Tang : Does “Hybrid” involve advocating for all non-ensemble classes to be online, and only ensemble classes to be in person?
16:53:22	 From Andy Collinsworth : Would that involve everyone in the ensemble being there at the same time, Jeff, a la an honor band scenario?
16:53:40	 From Jeff Malecki : Yes, possibly with a testing component before
16:54:09	 From Dr. Brett A. Richardson : We have sent contingency plans to our administration for two options: (1) completely online or (2) classes meeting with 10 or less; marching band might go on hiatus and then be replaced with a “marching band appreciation” (for non-majors) course or marching band techniques (music majors)
16:54:38	 From Jessica Kun : Is there a platform that we can hear more than 4 people playing at once? I’m new to this Zoom stuff, but I’ve asked around and it seems anything we are hearing on zoom is faked (prerecorded and mixed)
16:55:04	 From Daniel Cook : It at least buys some time? If you have a ‘project’ in October as opposed to regular rehearsals starting in Aug/Sept?
16:55:18	 From Doug Presley : If the residence halls are opened, would class size restrictions even matter?
16:55:19	 From R Chamberlin : Excellent point, Daniel.
16:55:20	 From Joel Pagan : Another consideration is reduced student enrollment. There are individuals, regardless of what decision is made in the Fall, who will may not to return in the Fall.
16:55:34	 From Bryant Smith : For conducting classes, what resources for textbook with sound files do you all currently use?  I’ve used the Maiello Conducting: a hands on approach to good effect.  As students record themselves conducting the sound files, then giving personal feedback (scheduled interviews or written comments) I’ve been able to get good growth from students.  This could be helpful for hybrid options.
16:56:03	 From Jeff Malecki : If studies come back with more dangers to wind playing than we hope (or current choir status), we are also talking about a “everyone plays percussion” scenario, if we’re back on campus
16:56:13	 From Diane Soelberg : Methods course
16:56:51	 From Lane Weaver : Agreed, Diane. Methods courses should be included.
16:57:05	 From Chad Nicholson : grad conducting lessons comment here
16:57:13	 From rinehart@southalabama.edu : DaVinci Resolve is a software our double reed professor uses for small ensemble recording
16:58:14	 From Diane Soelberg : GoReact is another possible program for students submitting videos then faculty giving comments
16:58:27	 From Robert S. Belser : Some of us also deal with student teaching supervision and perhaps a continuing chat conversation (email or google doc sharing) on what others are dong would be helpful
16:58:34	 From David Vickerman : SJSU Athletics deciding on July 15
16:58:39	 From Carter Biggers : Something we have discussed with our faculty that is a definite concern for our students is that not all of our students are on equal footing in regards to access to technology. We have anecdotal evidence that many students are completing assignments for their classes on their cell phones because that is the only piece of technology that they own. No tablet or computer or even access to it.
16:59:03	 From Gerard Morris : Mental health; this is a great short read, American Psychological Association 
Grief and COVID-19: Mourning our bygone lives
https://www.apa.org/news/apa/2020/04/grief-covid-19
16:59:12	 From Paul Cummings : Would we get more support for offering in-person ensembles from administrators if we proposed using clear acrylic sound shields as COVID-19 shields between our players? We obviously cannot have students wear masks, but the shields could help.
17:02:01	 From Sarah Labovitz : If Marching Band is required in anyone’s course sequence it may still need to be offered as a class so students don’t get behind in their degree.
17:02:05	 From Diane Soelberg : Many adjuncts are in a similar situation
17:02:10	 From Emily Moss : https://store.connect4education.com/product/onmusic-conducting-connect-to-the-sound/
17:02:28	 From Travis Cross : And that’s what causes the “bank run” on higher education…
17:02:31	 From Emily Moss : The online conducting textbook I used when I taught conducting in the Hybrid modality
17:03:29	 From Jason Caslor : I think it is important to remember that we are not unique in our frustrations. As much as possible, we must be positive responders/creators/re-creators. Our students are going to need us and hopefully our admin will appreciate our willingness to be part of possible solutions.
17:03:46	 From Joseph Higgins : FYI for basic conducting class: web-based FlipGrid isn’t fancy, but it’s been working well for my Conducting I students. It’s asynchronous. Students submit short video responses to my lesson intros, then I reply (privately or to the class) with short videos. The students are getting a lot of detailed feedback from me. Obviously, there is no ensemble for them to conduct (so they’re conducting recordings or metronomes or their own singing). It’s more time-consuming than in-person teaching (obviously!).
17:03:54	 From John Bell : Ouch…here’s our latest info from our Dept. Chair: “Faculty contracts
Previous messaging regarding faculty contracts (that they would be distributed in April) has now changed—only one contract will be distributed, and after the University budget is approved. These will be sent out some time in July. The change in process is due to the Board of Regents asking to review contracts before their dissemination, and the schedule of the Board meetings.”
17:04:14	 From Christine Keenan : Could we please get a transcript of the chat comments following this meeting?
17:04:31	 From R Chamberlin : Yes, we will copy them and append them to the google doc, which will be shared to the CBDNA membership.
17:04:35	 From David Vickerman : Thanks everyone for this!  And thank you CBDNA W/NW board for hosting!!
17:04:45	 From Joan Paddock : Students have been posting videos on Flipgrid (conducting excerpts) or YouTube;  In chamber music for those with iOS devices, Acapella has given the opportunity for collaboration.   Coursera.org (a MOOC, or Massive Open Online Course), has a course in conducting rehearsals.  We have used Smart Music, Zoom, Sight-reading Factory, Metronome Online, and other platforms.  Good luck everyone!
17:04:46	 From Dr. Brett A. Richardson : Many thanks to Emily, Reed, Jeff, and Mark Spede for facilitating this meeting. Prayers for health and safety to you all.
17:04:52	 From Onsby Rose : Is there any way we could get a transcript of this chat sent out? A lot has been placed in it that has gone by quickly and many of us couldn’t copy in time.
17:04:54	 From Jason Caslor : To save the chat, just click on the three dots to the right of the File button.
17:05:03	 From Jeffrey Boeckman : All, you can click “File” on this chat and save it
17:05:04	 From Jeffrey Bell-Hanson : Thank you all for letting me join in today. I found this really instructive and inspirational. Your colleagues in CODA are thinking about these issues too, and your proactive stance, as always, is exemplary.
17:05:10	 From Joseph Higgins : I appreciate W/NW opening this up to lonely band directors in NJ :-)
17:05:21	 From Doug Presley : Thank you for opening the “doors” of this conversation to us back east!
17:05:31	 From John Ross : Thanks to ALL!  This has been incredibly helpful!
17:05:38	 From Bryant Smith : This was outstanding.  Thank you!!!
17:05:51	 From Marc LaChance : Thanks!
17:06:26	 From Steven Gary Marx : Thank you everyone!
17:06:29	 From David Vickerman : One month from now??
17:06:48	 From John Bell : Thanks for letting those of us outside the Western/Northwestern CBDNA membership take part in this…something hopefully to be revisited down the road!
17:06:49	 From Travis Cross : I tell the students they don’t need to have a good day every day, and, in fact, they don’t need to have a good day any day. (And our syllabus is designed for a very broad range of acceptable achievement this quarter.)
17:06:54	 From John Dally : Thanks everyone.
17:07:03	 From Jessica Kun : Thank you. This was so helpful. What an amazing collection of good people.
17:07:13	 From Jason Caslor : Stay well!!!!
17:07:27	 From John Bell : …and GREAT to see everyone!
17:07:37	 From Carter Biggers : Thank you so much for facilitating this. Very helpful!
17:07:53	 From Dustin Barr : Thank you to all—especially Reed, Emily, and Jeffrey for organizing! Very helpful!
17:07:53	 From David Vickerman : Plan A is ALWAYS hope.
17:07:55	 From R Chamberlin : Thank you for this viewpoint Mark, this is how we’re proceeding in out program too.
17:08:11	 From Robert S. Belser : a long way to go as Mark says which is also a long time for us to be creative and share with each other good ideas
17:09:12	 From Travis Cross : I go back and forth every day between feeling like we’re going to be in caves for six months or playing Twister in May. The news seems to change hourly.
17:09:26	 From James Popejoy : Yes! Thank you for everyone for your work in putting this together, and thank you for inviting those of us from other Divisions!
17:09:35	 From Barry Houser : Thanks so much for the wonderful dialogue and ideas. Great to see and hear from you all! Take care and stay well!
17:10:21	 From Martha O'Neill : Thanks very much for such wonderful and useful information!
17:10:27	 From Lane Weaver : Amen, Mark. Well said.
17:10:28	 From Diane Soelberg : Thank you so much Mark!
17:10:48	 From Travis Cross : If you’re recording, the transcript is automatically saved. Please delete all my bad jokes. ;)
17:11:09	 From Barry Houser : Thank you Emily, Jeff and Reed!
17:11:18	 From Joan Paddock : Zoom also saves a transcript
17:11:19	 From Sarah Labovitz : Thank you for inviting other regions. It was great to hear everyone’s ideas!
17:11:20	 From John Mackey : So grateful this happened. Thanks, y’all.  Great “seeing” you!
17:11:20	 From Russell McCutcheon : Thank you all!  Yes, please post to YT!
17:11:22	 From Angela Schroeder : Thanks to all! Great discussion!
17:11:23	 From Travis Cross : Stay safe and healthy, everyone!
17:11:27	 From Christine Keenan : Thank you so much!
17:11:28	 From David Vickerman : Great seeing you all!
17:11:32	 From Charles Throckmorton : Thank you
17:11:32	 From Joan Paddock : Thank you - be safe!
17:11:33	 From Joe Conti : Thanks for organizing this! Best to all.
17:11:35	 From Carter Biggers : Be well!
17:11:37	 From Onsby Rose : Thanks for this everyone!
17:11:37	 From Patricia Cornett : Great seeing everyone. Stay healthy!
17:11:38	 From Timothy Yontz : Thank you for this opportunity. Take care.
17:11:39	 From Paul Cummings : Thanks everyone. Stay well.
17:11:42	 From Scott Teeple : Thank you!
17:11:49	 From Jonathan Helmick : Thank you!